On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been watching this with interest. I'm especially in agreement with Leslie's comments about chair load.
Because of the legal issues with respect to the IETF trust and the implementing documents for the IAOC, its going to be pretty difficult to come up with a way to remove some of the responsibilities from the Chairs (meeting attendance, voting, etc) without also removing the authority.
We're arguing somewhat in circles.
I agree with Bob's comments below that the leadership of the IESG and the IAB need to be involved in the operation of the IAOC, but I no longer think there are enough hours in the day for the IETF and IAB chairs to be able to do everything they need to do.
I hesitate to suggest this, but its probably time:
Let's add a position to the IESG - Executive Vice-Chair or Co-Adjutor Chair. Basically, either the chair's personal representative (Executive Vice-Chair) or their replacement in waiting (Co-Adjutor Chair).
Have the IAB select a vice-chair when they select the chair.
Modify the various documents to describe the various responsibilities for the Vice-chairs - suggestions for the IETF co-chair would be to stick him/her with the IAOC, the Trust and at least half of the Administrivia.. For the IAB - ditto plus liaison and appeals.
Modify the IAOC documents to permit either of the two co-chairs to be designated for a year at a time as IAOC members by the respective chairs choice (but can't be pulled off once on). No modificiations to the Trust legal document, but probably modify the administrative document to require the chair and co-chair for the IAB and IETF be invited to all non-closed meetings.
Job description to the Nomcom - for the IETF, the co-chair is a chair-in-training with the expectation they may make a decent Chair when and if the time comes. Maybe rotate that job every two years regardless to ensure a couple of people with some of the chair experience are in the pool. Maybe even every year.
I have suggested this verbally several times, and so would support it, but each time it has gotten shot down as "not the IETF/IESG/IAB way."
Regards
Marshall
Mike
At 10:27 AM 9/21/2011, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>> I think it's very important for the I* chairs to share the responsibility for IAOC decisions by being voting members.
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>> Why?
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>So we don't have the IESG and IAB having disputes with the IAOC. Having the IETF and IAB chairs share the decisions avoids a lot of this. I think you are aware of a few times where we got close to this and I think the current structure helped avoid it.
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