>> This is truly a tricky point. Often, organizers of these "bar BoFs" >> make great effort to get an AD involved and attending, make it clear >> that they're having this because their BoF proposal got in too late or >> was denied, and/or talk about a proposed WG charter. These side >> meetings are often advertised during open area meetings and other >> working-group sessions, and everyone is encouraged to attend. > > It seems like this draft discourages that sort of meeting in the first place, doesn't it? It does, but they will happen nonetheless. The draft encourages small, invited groups, but people *want* larger, open meetings, and they'll do them. I think it's important that we do what we can to get people to make it clear what rules they're applying -- in that case, and in all cases. >> NEW >> Thus, a Contribution that is made at one of the side >> meetings or other "unofficial" or "semi-official" events described in >> this document could still be under the applicability of the >> IETF's IPR rules. If you have a question regarding the applicability >> of the IETF IPR rules in any specific context or to any specific >> activity, you should consult your attorney or make an inquiry to the >> IESG. >> >> If a meeting occurs during an IETF week, is open to all, and clearly >> relates to current or proposed work for the IETF, those who attend >> will have a reasonable expectation that the IETF's rules apply. >> The organizers of these meetings are, therefore, strongly encouraged >> to make an explicit statement at the beginning of the meetings to >> announce whether or not they do apply (by using the "Note Well" text >> [NOTEWELL]). If they do not apply, the announcement should >> specify what confidentiality and IPR terms are in effect. In the absence >> of such a statement, attendees are encouraged to explicitly ask. ... > but I guess I'm looking for a way that someone could explicitly choose to have a meeting > where Note Well did not apply. I agree, and I hope my suggested text says that. If more needs to be said, we (for some value of "we" that might mean "Lars and Gonzalo") can take another stab. Barry _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf