Would having professional editors make a difference here? On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:31 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 14:51 -0700 Fred Baker > <fred@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> What's also not fair game is to "raise the bar" - to expect >>> the document at DS to meet more stringent criteria than it >>> was required to meet at the time of PS approval. >> >> Hmmm, the "demonstrated interoperability" requirement of DS/IS >> is in fact a raising of the bar,and one that has served us >> well. We don't (although IMHO we should) require even an >> implementation to go to PS. > > I know it is controversial, but there is at least one other area > in which we should be raising the bar for DS/IS by dropping the > bar for Proposed. If we really want to get PS specs out quickly > while the percentage of people who easily write very high > quality technical English in the IETF continues to go down, we > need to stop the behavior of various IESG members simulating > technical editors or translators to "fix" PS text (or insisting > that the author or WG do so, which, IMO, is less bad but still > often a problem). Doing that will get documents out faster, > perhaps even a lot faster in some cases, but will inevitably > result in PS documents that need significant editorial work > before being approved at DS. > > I think that would actually be a good thing. I think that > stuffing explicit placeholders to the effect of "this needs to > be rewritten to be completely clear to folks who haven't > participated in the WG" into PS documents would be a fine idea > -- it would get those documents finished and out while making > their preliminary nature very clear. But it implies a higher > editorial quality standard --a higher bar-- for DS/IS than for > PS. > > john > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
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