--On Monday, August 08, 2011 11:07 -0700 Joel Jaeggli <joelja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > We've heard from the community where minimizing our exposure > to visa is should be in our list of priorities. I know of no > previous location, where I involved in the meeting planning > where there were no visa issue. Joel, That is exactly my point. There is probably no where in the world that is completely free of visa issues for everyone. So the IAOC tries to minimize visa aggravation or spread the aggravation around, weighing the visa issues against others. I think they do a moderately good job of it; others might give them either higher or lower scores. I think, if possible, we should strive to not have serious visa aggravation for the same group of people two meetings in a row. But, because "no visa aggravation, problems, or high fees for anyone" is going to be rare or impossible, the visa issues with any given location are just another tradeoff unless the rules are so severe in practice that almost no one can get it. I'm willing (indeed happy) to have IAOC sort out those tradeoffs even though I would prefer that they be a tad more open with the community about the decisions they are making and why. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf