Dave, On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Dave CROCKER <dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On 7/29/2011 11:13 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>> >>>> (2) At any time after two years from the approval of this document as a >>>> BCP, the IESG may choose to reclassify any Draft Standard document as >>>> Proposed Standard. >>> >>> I think this is unfair to the people who have done considerable work to >>> get >>> a document to Draft Standard. I hope that the IESG would only do this >>> after giving a lot of notice to the authors, appropriate working groups, >>> and the IETF community to give them the opportunity to request >>> advancement >>> to Internet Standard. >> >> This was added after the discussion that Draft Standards could linger for >> a >> very long time. Some people said that would not be a problem, and other >> people said it would be harmful. I conclude that no one knows, so we >> should >> include the powers necessary to resolve the problems if they emerge. If >> they >> do not emerge, there is no requirement that the IESG do anything. > > If a document no longer has anyone watching it, there's a reasonable concern > that it no longer has much constituency. In that case, it's better to treat > it as immature rather than mature. In order to have reached Draft Standard, the w.g. must have shown multiple implementations. In at least one case I can think about the protocol is very widely used operationally. The working group is disbanded, only the mailing list remains. The protocol is very mature and stable. It's only the IETF activity that is inactive. You can't measure maturity of a protocol at draft standard by looking at the IETF activity. Bob > > >>> I think this Section of the document needs to provide additional detail >>> on >>> how this should work. >> >> I do not think we should add speculation about the potential problems to >> this >> document. > > +1 > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf