Fernando Gont wrote: >>> I personally consider this property of "end-to-end connectivity" as >>> "gone". >> >> How do you think about P2P applications? > > I think about applications that would benefit from e2e connectivity, but > since it is gone, they have to spend quite a bit of effort to traverse > middleboxes such as NATs. -- the network is not dumb anymore. As I wrote, with PR-IP such as E2ENAT, the network can be dumb. If several fixed port numbers are blocked, what's wrong if the network is dumb? Anyway, as it is a lot easier for applications to traverse NAT than to support IPv6, you should better say IPv6 has never arrived. Masataka Ohta _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf