Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

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Hi Paul,
At 15:36 23-06-2011, Paul Hoffman wrote:
For those on the ietf@ mailing list, please see <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic/ballot/>. In short, the IESG just approved publication of draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic, even with what appears to be a lack of consensus in the comments on the ietf@ mailing list. One AD called it "pretty rough", but my quick count shows that it was not rough at all: there were more people on the ietf@ against this than in favor of it. If the consensus in a WG for a document was the same as we saw on ietf@ for this document, and the WG chair declared consensus anyway, there would be some serious talks with that WG AD about the chairs.

Assuming that there was rough consensus (I agree with you that it was not rough at all), the document would still not satisfy the following statement:

  "It represents the consensus of the IETF community.  It has
   received public review and has been approved for publication by
   the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG)."

The IETF Last Call is to get cross-area review and, as others have pointed out, to provide an opportunity for people who have not read the WG document previously to comment. Sometimes there is a rehash of the WG discussions. Although that might be viewed by some participants as "wasting IETF time", it is part of the cost of the process.

If an objection was raised, the IESG might have to argue that the document represents the consensus of the IETF community. That is generally based on the IETF Last Call comments and not discussions within the WG Cloud.

If a WG chair declared consensus on an issue like this, the responsible AD would hear about it. If the IESG declared consensus on an issue like this, complain to NomCom about it.

Regards,
-sm
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