> From: Christian Huitema <huitema@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > From Noel analysis A belated (sorry) note to clarify the record: all I did was repeat stuff from other people's studies (principally the one by Geoff Huston); they should get all the credit. And while I'm here anyway... > it seems that a lot of the issues could be mitigated by simple > connectivity test. Well, IPv6 Neighbour Discovery is just the thing. I gather it's turned off on 6to4 links, which in retrospect was probably a mistake. I would recommend that it be turned on, but apparently the WG decided against making that recommendation in the '6to4 fixes' document? Other work with similar 'automatic' (i.e. not manually configured) overlay networks has shown that conditions in the Internet these days are such that one simply cannot assume that just because one's next-hop packet switch appears to have a routing table entry for some destination, that that means that any traffic sent to it will get there. You simply _have_ to do liveness testing (and not just on the other node, but also on the paths in both directions). On overlay networks with large fanouts, this can present a rather tricky problem - O(N) overhead - but there are a variety of tricks (e.g. piggybacking liveness mechanisms on user traffic) one can use. That shouldn't be a problem in this case, which is why I think just turning on ND on 6to4 is the way to go. > It also does not solve the problem of routers advertising an IPv6 > route to 2002::/16 and then failing to deliver the IPv4 packets. Well, RFC-3068 does say: "Any 6to4 relay router corresponding to this specification must include a monitoring function, to check that the 6to4 relay function is operational. The router must stop injecting the route leading to the 6to4 anycast prefix immediately if it detects that the relay function is not operational." So boxes that do what you mention (advertising 2002::/16 and then failing to deliver the packets to the matching IPv4 address) are _already_ violating the spec... NOel _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf