Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

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On Thursday, June 23, 2011 09:34:33 PM Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> On 2011-06-24 12:44, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> > On 6/23/11 4:36 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> >> Greetings again. The subject line is an honest question, not a
> >> gripe.
> >> 
> >> For those on the ietf@ mailing list, please see
> >> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic/ball
> >> ot/>. In short, the IESG just approved publication of
> >> draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic, even with what appears to be a
> >> lack of consensus in the comments on the ietf@ mailing list. One AD
> >> called it "pretty rough", but my quick count shows that it was not
> >> rough at all: there were more people on the ietf@ against this than
> >> in favor of it.
> > 
> > I can't speak for other IESG members, but I made a point of reading the
> > full text of every IETF LC message about this I-D, and I disagree with
> > the accuracy of your quick count. It's true that the Last Call did not
> > achieve unanimity or even smooth consensus, but my reading was that a
> > few folks were in the rough (although quite vocal) and that there was
> > rough consensus to publish. I would not have ballotted "No Objection"
> > otherwise. However, I freely admit that I might be wrong.
> 
> I think that's about right. There were several strong and very raional
> opinions against this, including some who were not involved in the
> similarly rough consensus in the WG discussion. But (speaking as a
> co-author of one of the drafts being historicised) I'd say the balance of
> opinion was to publish. However, it's a close call.

I'm relatively new to IETF procedure, so I may misunderstand, but that sounds 
a lot more like voting than any kind of consensus, rough or otherwise.

Scott K
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