> From: Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > As I understand it, the breakage mostly happens when the traffic > doesn't take exactly the same path as IPv4 would, but rather when the > traffic moves between the IPv4 world and the IPv6 world (or vice versa) > via a relay router that's advertising a route to a network that it > can't actually get traffic to. > Though of course there are other sources of breakage: ISPs that filter > protocol 41 ... and NATs, Keith, I'm not sure that relay routers advertising incorrectly are the main problem (although none of the studies I've looked at are really comprehensive in terms of data on _all_ causes of 6to4 failure, especially on failures on the path _from_ the 6to4 host, which are obviously sort of impossible to detect at servers). First, RFC-3068 does say: "Any 6to4 relay router corresponding to this specification must include a monitoring function, to check that the 6to4 relay function is operational. The router must stop injecting the route leading to the 6to4 anycast prefix immediately if it detects that the relay function is not operational." So if the 6to4 relay is operating properly, it shouldn't be advertising into the IPv4 world (i.e. using the anycast address) unless it has 'good' IPv6 connectivity, or into the IPv6 world (i.e. advertising the 6to4 block) unless it has 'good' IPv4 connectivity. (Advertising only the 6to4 variants of those pieces of the IPv4 space which it definitely has routes to is not allowed by the spec; reasonably, as it would add the size of the IPv4 routing table to the IPv6 routing table.) I'm not sure how exactly various boxes measure 'good' connectivity (and of course a poor implementation might not do a good job of this), but in _theory_ it shouldn't be the worst part of the problem. Second, while I don't know about failures on the '4to6_host->relay_router' (i.e. outbound) part of the path, when I read: http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2010-12/6to4fail.html it looked into failures on the 'relay_router->4to6_host' (i.e. inbound) path, and there, of the failures which were not due to a problem in the relay router itself, many were caused by failures on the inbound path between the relay router and the 4to6_host, failures which may well be not the fault of the ISP: - roughly 25% because of the presence of a NAT between the relay router and the 4to6 host (so that the host did not know its public IPv4 address, and probably didn't have a way to get packets to itself even if it did) - roughly 75% because of the presence of some device between the relay router and the 4to6 host that filtered _inbound_ protocol 41 (so that the host cannot get any return 6to4 traffic) While we don't know exactly what share of the overall 6to4 'problem' these two cause, we can guess that it's likely quite substantial: 'paranoid' firewalls are common, and NAT boxes are basically ubiquitous (anyone with IP service at home, and a wireless laptop - which is a lot of people - will have one). Noel _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf