--On Thursday, May 12, 2011 08:50 -0700 Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> My comment was in reply to Masataka Ohta's note saying that he >> often evades the pricing on things like IEEE or ACM pappers >> by finding free ones online. That looks like it won't be >> possible going forward. > > Current IEEE policy continues to allow authors to post the > latest update prior to IEEE publication on their home site, > with proper copyright notice and a link to the IEEE copy. > > I.e., authors can currently post the last revision before IEEE > formatting with IEEE logos for free. Joe, A different version of the point I was trying to make is that any body that depends on publication revenues, special subscriptions, or memberships and membership privileges to support its work has to define a boundary that preserves some value in those revenue sources. Some of us may think that they are going to need to find a new business model for their activities, but that is really irrelevant to the present conversation. It seems to me that the line IEEE is trying to draw is a reasonable one given their problem and, modulo trying to preserve something for which to charge, not that much different from ours. In many situations, the net effect is that, if I'm interested in the content or substance of a given article, the "approved submission" version should be more than sufficient. If I need to quote exactly from it, reference material by page number, etc., I need to get my hands on the final published version and someone may have to pay IEEE for that. Other than being careful about what versions of IEEE documents are referenced normatively in RFCs (so that people are expected to read and understand the referenced documents to implement the RFC), it still doesn't seem to me that IEEE's policies, or what documents can be found where and at what prices, are an IETF problem. john john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf