--On Monday, May 09, 2011 21:47 -0400 Ross Callon <rcallon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This reminds me of what a colleague once said about > government-run lotteries: "A tax on people who are bad at > math". In this case the fools don't seem to be throwing all > that many dollars away (at least not per document). Indeed. And, as others have pointed out, the sums are relatively trivial for the communities of fools most likely to be affected. I always took that to be the point of the comments of Jon's to which Bob and I referred: someone who finds the costs (both monetary and waiting for documents to show up in the post) painful enough to motivate a little research will swiftly find free and immediate sources for the documents. If those who find the costs lower than the cost of spending time on that research want to pay for the documents, it isn't our problem and we should not strive to make it so. It seems to me that not having the series available in IEEE Xplore and having documents in the ACM Digital Library but not indexed by RFC number is a problem in that searching for the documents is a little harder than it ought to be and is our problem (even though typing "RFC 793" into at least few general-purpose search engines does yield pointers to non-cost repositories). Requests to fix both the ACM and IEEE problems have been made to the relevant folks. Beyond that, unless someone has a cure for fools, I suggest this is a problem that is not worth our putting energy into solving. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf