Re: IETF 83 Venue

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On Jan 21, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

> GMT still exists as a legal construct and could well prove useful since it is ultimately under control of HMG, quite possibly it can be modified by as little as an order in council.
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> So if HMG would eliminate the inanity of leap seconds in GMT we could probably move most computer systems back to GMT rather than UTC as a reference point.
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> The idea that there is utility in leap seconds is ridiculous. Most astronomers I have talked to tell me that UTC is useless for their purposes anyway and the time of mid-day varies at Greenwich by 5 minutes over the course of a year so what does it matter which two days are right?
> 

UTC is kept close to UT1 for celestial navigation, not astronomy, and is indeed somewhat archaic. (The idea was that you could use UTC, i.e., civil time, as reported by a simple radio, and then do celestial navigation to get within about 1 km of your true location. You still can, but that is of
less and less utility as navigation moves to GPS and time keeping becomes ever better.) 

The time of mid-day is solar time, which does vary in a periodic fashion during the year, driven by the Earth's orbital motion. These variations are not shared by mean solar time, which is now-a-days really an atomic time. 

Regards
Marshall

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> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Marshall Eubanks <tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Jan 21, 2011, at 3:48 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote:
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> > Hey, Paris lobbied heavily to have the Prime Meridian be fixed in Paris.  That would have really made them the center of the navigational world.
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> Yes, and then they got the BIH, which got them the power to change GMT to UTC. (GMT no longer has any official existence.)
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> Marshall
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> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, todd glassey <tglassey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 1/21/2011 10:22 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >> Does anyone see the irony of us even discussing concerns about, of all
> >> things, FOOD when it comes to Paris?
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> >> What else is there to discuss in Paris?
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> > Making Paris the center of the world - ever look at French Navigation Charts - relative to Admiralty charts from any other nation?
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