SM wrote: > > It would be difficult to get buy-in if the document is not published > as a RFC. Instead of eliminating Proposed Standard, how about > allowing the working group output document to be > published as Proposed Standard? The approval could be done within > the working group only but that might results in documents of > questionable quality. Essentially, you seem to be asserting that IETF community feedback should be considered harmful and delayed to much later in the process where it can have even less impact. Previous assertions where about the IESG making things too difficult. To me, that sound a little like giving up. Changing solutions, fixing protocols and fixing documents is exhausting and painful, so let's just skip all of that. Let vendors and implementors wiggle out how to create interoperable products from shoddy specs all by themselves -- which is what some of them have been doing for some time -- implementing defective specs and shipping interoperability- impaired products long before the standardization work has converged on a moderately stable Proposed Standard. To me that looks like one way to obsolete the IETF (IETF community consensus and IESG review). -Martin _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf