On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Dave CROCKER <dhc2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-- Indeed, it has been remarkable how poor the sales pitch has been to resource-poor operations that are expected to adopt this, even after all this time.
On 10/11/2010 8:25 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
Without getting into the question of whether your suggestion would have helped
anything in terms of transition and interoperability, it shares one major flaw
with the path we did adopt.
There is no incentive to spend resources to get there.
[other good stuff I mostly agree with deleted]
The problem is not merely marketing in the sense of messaging. The problem with each one of the stalled IETF infrastructure upgrades is deployment deadlock.
Specifically there is a cycle of ungranted requests. Alice has no incentive to upgrade her infrastructure because she cannot use any new feature until Bob upgrades. Meanwhile Bob has no incentive to upgrade ahead of Alice.
Mere exhortations from the great and the good have very limited effect.
Specifically, with the IPv6 upgrade we need to catalog each of the stakeholders that have to upgrade their gear and work out a unilateral deployment incentive for each one in turn.
Whenever I try to propose this sort of thing to conferences the referees always kick the papers back saying that it is 'obvious'. Well if it is so damn obvious, how come we don't seem to be able to manage to do it?
I think it is a fairly obvious consequence of a rational choice model. Assume that each actor is not going to budge unless there is a short term benefit to themselves for changing behavior. Now I agree that there are major differences between the way the world really works and the axioms of rat choice modeling. But they certainly work as models in cases where there is a strong positive feedback loop (network effect).
What I want as a consumer is a box that enables me to do things like peer to peer video chat efficiently and without all my traffic going in and out of some peer to peer network whose real function is no more than NAT bypass.
Trying to tie functionality to the flavor of network I am on is a losing proposition for me. I only have one broadband provider in my area at the moment and they know it.
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