On 06/10/2010 05:40 p.m., Keith Moore wrote: >>> It's perfectly reasonable for applications to include IP >>> addresses and port numbers in their payloads, as this is the only >>> way that the Internet Architecture defines to allow applications >>> to make contact with particular processes at particular hosts. >>> Some might see this as a deficiency in the Internet Architecture, >>> but that's the best that we have to work with for now. >> >> If anything, the fact that "this is is the only way that the >> Internet Architecture defines..." doesn't make it reasonable. > > So basically you're arguing to impair the ability of applications to > function, just so that network operators can futz around with > addresses. No. I'm arguing that you should not blame NATs for broken application designs, and that you should not assess reasonable-ness based on existing (and questionable) application designs. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@xxxxxxxxxxx || fgont@xxxxxxx PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf