Hi, I'm forwarding this message to the general IETF mailing list, because I think we need a good discussion on this and the confirmation from the secretariat/IAOC that this work will be done CORRECTLY NEXT TIME. The fact is that if we don't make sure that a venue has good connections then should not be candidate to be an IETF venue. I'm not referring to plane vs train. I'm fine with train if the information provided is accurate. Some times, for people in Europe, train can be more convenient than planes, but this is only true if the train system is reliable in general (of course, a strike, crash or anything like that is something that we can't predict/avoid). Maastricht proved that the information provided by the train web sites was totally FALSE. This is something that the secretariat/IAOC SHOULD verify before accepting a venue. I hope that we learn the lesson. Regards, Jordi ------ Forwarded Message From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:57:19 +0200 To: <78attendees@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [78attendees] WARNING !!! Re: Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09 - Don¹t believe at all in the info about the trains that they provide in the web site. - Don¹t believe at all in the info the employees in the train stations provide I will suggest to relay only in the people that drive the trains itself, according to my today experience. I was flying out from Brussels to Madrid. I decided just in case to take an earlier train that actually needed. I was in the station 40 minutes before the train should leave. It was a direct express train from Maastricht to Brussels North and then only one change to the airport. Guess what ... IT WAS NOT TRUE. I needed to change the train 4 times. In the first change in Liege for the info about the right itinerary, and after, asked for a complain form proving them that the web site was WRONG. They told me it is outdated and they know it for ages ... Well the worst is that the new itinerary was also INCORRECT ! I only discovered it asking to the train driver who provided me the right itinerary to all the way thru in order to be able to be in the airport 36 minutes before my train departure. I was not lucky, and the check-in was already closed and was not able to get my bags thru (no problem with me because I had already my boarding pass), so needed to get my bags directly into the plane as a very special favor because I'm Platinum level in Iberia, throwing away some of the liquids in the security control, and when arrived to Madrid, discovered that my bag was lost in the way (a direct flight !). It seems that I will get it tomorrow, as local staff forgot to put it on the plane, even if I run across all the airport with the bag ! Of course, I'm going to claim for injuries to the train system, even if I need to spend money in lawyers, but definitively, we should boycott any new meeting that need to use the Belgium/Netherlands train system. I'm sorry about this but, even if I was quite the last days with all the noise about the trains, and I was thinking that people was exaggerating, now I realize that the people was completely right, THEY HAVE THE WORST TRAIN SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. So please, IAOC/secretariat. For any NEXT MEETING make sure that the official web sites for transport are 9999% ACCURATE, 100% is not enough. Regards, Jordi From: Gregory Lebovitz <gregory.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: <gregory.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:44:19 -0700 To: <78attendees@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [78attendees] Maastricht to Brussels-Nat-Aero, Sat 07:09 Hey all, I'm heading to the Brussels airport on Saturday morning, early. I've got a 07:09 train from Maastricht city center, with two transfers, that gets me into Bruxelles-Nat-Aero at 09:10, in time for my 11:00 flight. Anyone from NH want to share a cab to the train station, and make the journey together? -- ---- IETF related email from Gregory M. Lebovitz Juniper Networks _______________________________________________ 78attendees mailing list 78attendees@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/78attendees ********************************************** The IPv6 Portal: http://www.ipv6tf.org This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. 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