Dear Noel; On Aug 6, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@xxxxxxxxx> > >> I do note that it seems clear that registration is related to where >> we meet. That show up pretty clearly the current data. So judging >> where to have future meetings based on past participation will tend >> to keep us where we used to meet. >> ... >> I think an important part of the meeting rotation is to equalize the >> travel cost/pain for most attendees. > > The last makes some sense, but I wonder about the 'local attendees' > affect. Clearly you will always get a goodly number of people from the > location where the meeting is, but how far does the 'continental' effect > reach in that breakdown? We do have some data on this point - the day pass experiment (DPE) has shown pretty conclusively IMO that the IETF does not get a lot of truly local ad-hoc participants. Most day pass attendees appear to be regular attendees who could only make it to that particular IETF for one day for whatever reason, not local people who just wanted to sample an IETF meeting. It has long been known that IETF meetings have a local attendance effect. I thought, before the DPE, that this indicated a potentially large number of observers, presumably interested, but not interested enough to travel long distances due to the cost and time required for longer trips. This, to me, suggested that day-passes, at a reduced rate, would bring out a lot of new people (as the time and financial burden would be even less). This did not happen, on any of the 3 continents where the DPE has been run. So, I now assume that the "local attendees" are people who are seriously interested and involved in the IETF, able to travel in-region or in-country but unable to get approval, funds or time for week-long international travel. Regards Marshall > > E.g. for a North American meeting on the West Coast, how many North > Americans are coming from the East Coast? For the Far East, how many are > coming from other countries in the Far East? > > To put it another way, do we have a substantial pool of people who will > travel a long ways for a meeting in their home continent, but not to other > continents? I think that's the group (and its breakdown by continent) we > really need to look for/at. _If_ that's heavily skewed to one continent, > we might want to bias the meeting schedule in their favour. > > (The people who will always come, no matter where it is, aren't as much of > an issue, although all else being equal, as you point out it would be good > to equalize their pain. As for the local-only attendees, well, no matter > where you go, you only get them from close by, and we can't visit all > plausible cities on any sort of schedule, so I'm not sure how much weight > we want to put on letting one-time attendees get a taste of the IETF.) > > Noel > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf