On 13 jul 2010, at 9:22, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Right, but Dutch trains are not nearly as nice as German > ICE trains. There are many different kinds of trains in the Netherlands. Indeed only some of them equal ICEs. However, by traveling through Eindhoven you're almost certainly subjecting yourself to more than an hour in a VIRM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_VIRM With FRA - Cologne - Liège - Maastricht you're in an ICE and a thalys, which should be pretty good, but also half an hour in a Belgian let's call it "classic" train. But you get to avoid Dutch trains altogether and you save 1h20 at the expense of an extra change. You can also do FRA - Aachen - Heerlen - Maastricht but the last leg has the unusual 2+3 seating arrangement in 2nd class, so you may want to upgrade to 1st class where you also get to enjoy a 230 V outlet for your laptop and save another 6 minutes. (The newest VIRM trains, which may or may not be used on the Utrecht - Eindhoven - Maastricht route, also have power in first class.) _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf