Hi. As mentioned in the analysis of draft-housley-two-maturity-levels I posted yesterday, I've made a pass through the old (NEWTRK-vintage) ISD specification. A new version is in the posting queue as draft-klensin-isdbis-00. While the flavor and much of the text of the old version is still present, it has been significantly revised to address both some of the issues raised in the last few weeks and the concerns about workload raised by the IESG of five years ago. In particular: * The "providing information about a document" (the maturity level issue) and the "grouping documents" (the STD issue) are given equal weight. * A lighter-weight transition plan is incorporated. * ISD numbers (to be assigned to anything reaching the standards-track) and ISD documents are separated (we may want to change the name if this goes anywhere). The latter are required only for specifications for which information that supplements the RFC is, or should be, required anyway, e.g., interoperability reports, descriptions of relationships to older versions, descriptions of relationships of multiple documents that make up a single standard. * The minimum information required in an ISD document (if one is required at all) is capable of being automatically generated. As the last NEWTRK ISD document and discussions indicated, it is always possible to dispose of a proposal like this by nit-picking at the details and ignoring the larger picture or by complaining that insufficient details have been provided. I've tried to strike a better balance in this version than the earlier one had, but I can only hope that people will try to understand the principles and that, while I've proposed a combination of details that I believe will work, details can always be tuned. It is long (largely as a result of including enough detail to be taken seriously), but, if one believes that the problems with the system run a little deeper than the descriptions in draft-housley-two-maturity-levels and that they deserve a more comprehensive approach rather than slapping on patches of terminology and levesl, it may be worth having a look. regards, john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf