Dave: This observation was based on many hallway discussions with many people over many years. You are correct to observe that there are many factors at play, and many of them were discussed at the mic in plenary. The draft changes process in many different places. I've attempted to balance many differnt things in this proposal. Only community discussion will determine if the balance is acceptable. There is always risk in process changes. The goal is to make changes where the benefits outweigh the risk. Russ On 6/23/2010 5:25 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > Russ, > > In reading the latest version of your proposal, I finally realized that > a motivating premise: > >> o Since many documents are published as Proposed Standard and never >> advances to a higher maturity level, the initial publication >> receives much more scrutiny that is call for by RFC 2026 [1]. > > is well-intentioned, sounds reasonable, but is actually without any > practical foundation. In other words, we do not know that the premise > is valid. > > There are many likely reasons that the process of getting through the > IESG, for Proposed, has become such a high burden. (Perhaps you did not > mean to limit the reference to mean only IESG scrutiny, but in formal > terms, it really is the only one that matters, in terms of 'scrutiny'.) > > I think that a detached and thorough exploration of those possible > reasons is likely to show that the problem pre-dates the move towards > leaving documents at Proposed and, in fact, well might have contributed > to it. By virtue of having Proposed be so difficult to attain, there is > a disincentive for going through the process again, for the same protocol. > > A tendency for all of us in this kind of topic is to make simple > assertions of cause or of likely behavioral change that sound reasonable > but have little empirical basis. > > We need to be careful to avoid falling into that trap, because the > changes being discussed are strategic, and could well be impossible to > reverse completely... > > d/ > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf