My $.02 worth. 1) For the purposes of the upcoming Nomcom, the decision to not count a day pass as "attending" is reasonable and timely and within the purview of the IESG (or for that matter the IETF chair) to decide. 2) The IESG/IAOC can choose whether or not to offer such a day pass as that is an administrative issue, but the longer and broader discussion on whether or not a day attendee is an attendee for Nomcom purposes should still happen. 3) The IETF depends upon the revenues generated from IETF attendance and, as a matter of incentive, there should be a decrease in benefits if there is a decrease in revenue to the IETF. In this case, it may also be reasonable to eliminate "student" attendees as eligible for Nomcom membership. 4) The discussion on whether or not you get enough IETF culture while attending on a day pass is a rat hole. I would submit that I (and probably anyone with more than a 3-4 years or IETF attendence) have accumulated enough culture over my large number (73) of meetings that my cultural inculcation would not suffer by my attending solely on day passes for the next 5 years or so. It really is all about trying to avoid providing an incentive for attendees to make a choice that reduces the IETF's meeting income. 5) If the community decides that day attendees are full attendees for the purpose of Nomcom, I would recommend that the IESG/IAOC eliminate the day pass option as a matter of IETF sustainability. Some additional comments made by others in a discussion between former Nomcom chairs (I'll let them identify themselves) on this issue: o My concern with the day pass is that one is unlikely to meet people outside one's relatively small universe. o Whether we include day passes or not I suspect isn't going to make _that_ much difference in the grand scheme of things. Someone whose employer isn't willing to spring for the full week, and more importantly, be willing to let the engineer stay for more than single day, is also probably not going to be supportive in letting said engineer put in the necessary time to serve on Nomcom.... Mike At 03:48 PM 5/14/2010, The IESG wrote: >This is an update to the Last Call that is currently in progress. > >The IESG is considering the following Statement on the Day Pass >Experiment. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks on >this statement, and the IESG actively solicits comments on this >statement. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@xxxxxxxx >mailing lists by 2010-05-20. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to >iesg@xxxxxxxx instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of >the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > >So far, only one person has registered for the IETF 78 meeting with a >day pass, and that person has not paid yet. > >= = = = = = = = > >RFC 3777 requires that voting members of the nominating committee >(NomCom) be selected from volunteers that have attended at least three >of the last five IETF meetings. The IAOC is conducting a day pass >experiment, making it necessary to clarify the NomCom eligibility rules >to address IETF participants that make use of a day pass. An update to >RFC 3777 will be needed to address this situation if at the end of the >experiment the IAOC decides to make day passes a regular meeting >registration alternative. This statement provides guidance until an >update to RFC 3777 is proposed, reviewed, and approved. > >The eligibility requirements of volunteers for NomCom voting member >positions are provided in RFC 3777, which includes: > > 14. Members of the IETF community must have attended at least 3 of > the last 5 IETF meetings in order to volunteer. > >In the context of the day pass experiment, this is interpreted to mean: > > 14. IETF participants must have attended at least 3 of the last 5 > IETF meetings in order to volunteer. Use of a day pass for > meetings prior to April 2010 counts as IETF meeting attendance; > however, use of a day pass for meetings after to April 2010 will > not count as IETF meeting attendance. >_______________________________________________ >Ietf mailing list >Ietf@xxxxxxxx >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf