On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If we really want to do something in this space first of all we need to agree on the problem, then on the requirements and THEN we can have a useful discussion. So far the only thing I hear is assertions offered without any foundation that the current format is problematic, while every personal computer operating system sold (or given away for free) the past decade can display it without the need to install additional software. OK, one more time, let me enumerate the problems with the current format. I agree that you may not perceive them as problems, but they are problems for me: 1. I cannot print them correctly on either Windows or Mac. 2. I cannot view them at all on the mobile device with a highly competent web browser with which I do an increasing proportion of my information consumption. 3. I cannot enter the name of an author correctly if that name includes non-ASCII characters. 4. I cannot provide an actual illustrative working example of the use of non-ASCII text in Internet Protocols. I have no problem with people disagreeing on the way forward, but I'm getting a bit short-tempered when I hear people claim that nobody's said what the current problems are. The following are things that I am NOT asking for: 1. Graphics 2. PDF 3. The use of non-English languages in spec text - Tim _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf