On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > Speaking as someone involved in deciding this experiment (and it > really is still an experiment that could be revoked before the > next meeting -- IETF 78) I can tell you that the intent was always > to allow ONLY one day's attendance on the day-pass and that multiple > day passes were not an "intended use" and therefore perhaps we should > have prohibited such. but you didn't ... seems like a suitable experiment to expand based on private emails I've received, there would seem to be more interest than just my own. > The IETF has never been about policing and door monitoring and relies > on the honor system in many ways. You could certainly argue that > getting 2 x $200 is better than getting nothing if you decide not to > attend, but with only one meeting we don't have a lot of data that > tells us about use and abuse of this system, so it's still an > experiment. (Those more economically inclined than me can further > analyze the numbers). Trying this in Japan made sense since we (and > our host) wanted to introduce the IETF to a wider community of > "locals" (all of Japan really), and in Japan getting permission to be > out of the office for ONE day is a alot easier than getting permission > to be out all week. > > When RIPE introduced one-day passes they got more attendees overall, > and more meeting revenue and of course the benefit of greater > interaction with more people at the meeting (yes, this is the ultimate > goal as you say), but the RIPE community may not behave the same way > as the IETF community, especially when you consider that you can fly > from, say, Oslo to Amsterdam early in the morning, attend an all-day > meeting and fly home at night. That works for Anaheim as well if you happen to be from the San Francisco Bay area and your last meeting doesn't end at 8pm ... which was the case when I last used that approach for an LA IETF meeting. > > Ole > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, David Morris wrote: > > > > > Well my understanding from prior discussions was that the intent was to > > encourage more participation. When R/T airfare is on the order of $140 who > > is local is quite different. Etc. For self sponsored individuals, > > attending an IETF meeting is a big expense. And from what I've heard, > > folks with corporate sponsors are cost sensitive as well. > > > > > > Since multiple one-day passes aren't explicitly prohibited, I have to > > assert that they are permitted, and based on many of the reasons for > > having the option in the first place, it makes sense that they be > > permitted. I understand that adding the option to the web registration > > at this stage would be difficult ... so just tell me what the required > > level of uniqueness is and I'll sign up twice. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010, Alexa Morris wrote: > > > > > David, > > > > > > As the policy currently stands, attendees are not permitted to purchase two > > > one-day passes. From the IETF 77 registration announcement: > > > --- > > > One Day Pass Registration - USD 200.00 > > > We are once again offering a one-day pass for $200. Benefits are: > > > > > > 1. Attend all sessions during any one day of the Meeting, and partake of > > > the food and beverage during the breaks > > > 2. You select which day to attend when you show up onsite to check-in > > > 3. Payments may be made onsite without a late fee > > > 4. Pass can be upgraded to a full Meeting Registration, however, late fee > > > may apply if initial one-day payment not made before Early Bird deadline > > > 5. Attend Sunday Tutorials at no additional charge > > > 6. Attend Sunday Welcome Reception at no additional charge > > > 7. Attend Wednesday and Thursday Plenaries at no additional charge > > > --- > > > > > > It's true that the above does not explicitly state the "only one 1-day pass > > > allowed per person" policy, though my understanding is that is the clear > > > intent. The primary intention behind the one-day pass is to give new -- mostly > > > local -- individuals a less expensive introduction to the IETF and what it is > > > all about. > > > > > > Finally, I want to note that as long as you register and pay by March 12, your > > > meeting fee will be only $635. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alexa > > > > > > On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:06 PM, David Morris wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What is the right way to register for two one day passes? Since the money > > > > comes directly from my personal resources, attending two days for $400 > > > > is much better than ~800. > > > > > > > > Dave Morris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Ietf mailing list > > > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > > > > > > ----------- > > > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > > > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > > > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > > > Email: amorris@xxxxxxxx > > > > > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > > > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > > > www.amsl.com <http://www.amsl.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > > Ietf mailing list > > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf