Dean, Oddly, I've had none of the experiences you've had and I've been known to travel a bit (1.6 million miles on United, top frequent flier "honors" on 3 carriers (UAL, NWA, JAL) simultaneously, etc.), including to quite a few places where folks from the US weren't particularly popular. The only place I've had "secondary screening" has been in the US (most recently last week flying from IAD to LAX). The only country in which I've had to even power on equipment to demonstrate it isn't a prop has been the US. I've never had anything confiscated. Well, OK, I did have a nail cuticle clipper (with a 1/4 inch blade) confiscated in Singapore but somehow I was able to survive. This really isn't that hard. Unless you have diplomatic or some other treaty-based immunity, you are subject to the laws of the country you are in and it is your responsibility to be aware of those laws. Some countries follow the rule of law more than others and some countries are more corrupt than others. China is better than some, worse than others. That's reality. If you don't like this, don't go. Regards, -drc On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Dean Willis wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote: > >> Dean, >> >> Get real. When have you EVER had any reading material inspected by ANY >> authority ANYWHERE in the world? OK, so I am not aware of your >> particular reading habits and yes, I *can* imagine that *some* >> material *might* attract the attention of customs officials in any >> given part of the world, but it would have to be pretty extreme and >> you would have to literally wave it in front of their faces. WIRED >> Magazine does NOT in any way fall into the sort of material I am >> imagining, and I think you know that. > > That's a pretty naive position, Ole. I've had training manuals confiscated at the Canadian border, had my laptop "data searched" in a couple of places, had my bags detained for setting off chemical detectors (although returned after secondary searching), had a science-fiction paper-back book confiscated (apparently the cover image was "pornographic", although they didn't bother to arrest me, and thankfully, I had already finished the book), and probably quite a few other events over the years. I've even had the sorts of jobs where everything on my person, including papers, got inspected by guards when I was going in and out of the workplace each day. > > I'm really surprised you haven't had events like this yourself. > >> We should obviously obey the laws of the country in which we have our >> meeting, but dreaming up worst case scenarios isn't helpful. Really. > > Sometimes it is hard for outsiders to understand those laws you so blithely say we should obey. Laws can and do catch people by surprise. One of the most effective ways to prevent surprise is by as king "what if" questions. Do you not think it is reasonable to subject the real-world to the same sort of scenario analysis that we would demand of a transport protocol? > > -- > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf