You said: "(Let me apologize to the non-US people in the IETF for the US-centric nature of this part of this post. It's necessarily US-centric because the example cited in the message I'm replying to was US-centric. FWIW, I'm not a US citizen - I'm acturally Bermudian - so I am personally quite sensitive to the need to understand that the rest of the world is not a clone of the US.)" Noel, Since I am also not a US citizen, let me ask you a related question. Objectionable hotel clauses notwithstanding, some folks have argued that we should basically boycott China and not hold a meeting there for reasons ranging from Internet policies to Human Rights. Given the large and increasing number of Chinese engineers that participate in the IETF, what sort of message would we be sending by taking that kind of position? Are we a US-centric organization? (That question is not just for you of course). Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf