Sorry if I misunderstand something, but I thought it was already working. e.g. chinese hackers successfully proofed they can switch off all power companies in Australia whenever they want. I remember some places in the world have forbidden to connect lethal devices like powerplants to the internet. I thought germany and the us where among these places. Well, with germany I have heard rumors that palaestinians could switch off the Biblis nuclear power plant whenever they felt the itch. I know that is not true. Biblis is offline most of the time because it is raining in. Kind regards Peter Richard Shockey wrote: > The general internet community needs to be aware of activities in North > America that directly relate to the use of IETF protocols in the Electric > Utility industry. This activity is generally referred to as the SmartGrid. > Though the issues immediately deal with technical and policy decisions in > the US and Canada, the SmartGrid concept is gaining significant momentum in > Europe and Asia as well. > > http://www.smartgrids.eu/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid#Countries > > > The SmartGrid has many definitions but as a practical matter it is a > substantial re-architecture of the data communications networks that > utilities use to maintain the stability and reliability of their power > grids. Many of the requirements for the SmartGrid in North America came out > of the 2003 North East power outage which demonstrated a substantial lack of > investment in Utility IT systems. > > http://www.ferc.gov/EventCalendar/Files/20040915141105-blackout.pdf > > Of particular note, is the desire by utilities to extend the reach of their > communications networks directly to the utility meter and beyond ultimately > into the customer premise itself. This is generally referred to as the > Advanced Meter Interface (AMI). One of the use cases driving this > requirement is the next generation of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. The > utilities, correctly IMHO, want to precisely control the timing of how these > vehicles are recharged so not to create a unique form of DOS attack and take > out the grid when everyone goes home at night. This is a principal use case > in 6lowpan ( ID below ). Increasingly energy flows are becoming > bi-directional creating needs for more computational intelligence and > capability at the edge. > > What is going on? Why should the IETF community care? > > The United States Government, as part of the Energy Independence and > Security Act of 2007 gave the National Institute of Standards and Technology > ( NIST ) principal responsibility "to coordinate development of a framework > that includes protocols and model standards" for the SmartGrid. > > http://www.nist.gov/smartgrid/ > > > After several meetings sponsored by NIST in recent months, NIST released a > preliminary report. Several folks from the IETF community attended those > meetings, myself included. There multiple troubling stories about how those > meetings were organized but I'll leave those tales to others. > > http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/smartgrid_interoperability.pdf > > One of the requests from NIST and the SmartGrid community was a list of Core > Internet protocols that NIST could refer to. Fred Baker has been working on > that task. ( below ) > > Myself and others are deeply concerned by how this effort is developing. > There is no current consensus on what the communications architecture of the > SmartGrid is or how IP actually fits into it. > > The Utility Industry does not understand the current IPv4 number exhaust > problem and the consequences of that if they want to put a IP address on > every Utility Meter in North America. > > What is equally troubling is that many of the underlying protocols that > utilities wish to deploy are not engineered for IPv6. We have an example of > that in a recent ID. > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-c1222-transport-over-ip-01.txt > > > Obviously, there are significant CyberSecurity issues in the SmartGrid > concept and NIST has produced a useful document outlining the requirements > and usecases. > > http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/nistir-7628/draft-nistir-7628.pdf > > How the SmartGrid interfaces with or bridges with Home Area or Enterprise > Local Area networks is unclear, to put it mildly. > > I want to use this message to encourage the community to read the attached > documents and get involved in this effort as appropriate. Additional NIST > documents will be published shortly with a open public comment period. > > I strongly urge members of the IETF community to participate in this comment > period and lend its expertise as necessary. > > It's useful and important work. > > ************************ > > > Title : Core Protocols in the Internet Protocol Suite > Author(s) : F. Baker > Filename : draft-baker-ietf-core-03.txt > Pages : 32 > Date : 2009-10-03 > > This note attempts to identify the core of the Internet Protocol Suite. The > target audience is NIST, in the Smart Grid discussion, as they have > requested guidance on how to profile the Internet Protocol Suite. In > general, that would mean selecting what they need from the picture presented > here. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-baker-ietf-core-03.txt > > > > > Title : Design and Application Spaces for 6LoWPANs > Author(s) : E. Kim, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-04.txt > Pages : 30 > Date : 2009-10-01 > > This document investigates potential application scenarios and use cases for > low-power wireless personal area networks (LoWPANs). This document provides > dimensions of design space for LoWPAN applications. > A list of use cases and market domains that may benefit and motivate the > work currently done in the 6LoWPAN WG is provided with the characterisitcis > of each dimention. A complete list of practical use cases is not the goal > of this document. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6lowpan-usecases-04.txt > > > > Richard Shockey > PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683 > <mailto:richard(at)shockey.us> > skype/AIM: rshockey101 > LinkedIn : http://www.linkedin.com/in/rshockey101 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf -- Peter and Karin Dambier Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana Rimbacher Strasse 16 D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.peter-dambier.de/ http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/ ULA= fd80:4ce1:c66a::/48 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf