Thanks Ray, Now I remember that I forget I have done that once already. that will be fine for me. Regards, -Hui 2009/10/1 Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@xxxxxxxx>: > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Hui Deng wrote: > > Does this survey still work?, > I failed to do anything over there. > > Yes it does. > What problems did you experience? > We have had one other complain of Java problems, but he had an old Browser. > Otherwise 343 have completed the survey successfully. > Ray > > > -Hui > >> From: tme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To: ietf-announce@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx; wgchairs@xxxxxxxx >> Subject: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future >> meeting of the IETF >> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:42:00 -0400 >> CC: iaoc@xxxxxxxx; irtf-chair@xxxxxxxx >> >> Greetings; >> >> We have received numerous suggestions and requests for an IETF meeting >> in China and the IAOC has been working on a potential China meeting for >> several years. We are now close to making a decision on a potential >> upcoming meeting in China. However, the following issue has arisen >> and we would appreciate your feedback. >> >> The Chinese government has imposed a rule on all conferences held >> since 2008 regarding political speech. A fundamental law in China >> requires that one not criticize the government. Practically, this >> has reference to public political statements or pr otest marches, which >> are not the IETF's custom. The government, which is a party to the >> issue, >> requires that people who attend conferences in China (the IETF being >> but one example) not engage in political speech during their tour >> in China. We consider this to be acceptable, on the basis that the >> IETF intends to abide by the laws of whatever nations it visits and >> we don't believe that this impacts our ability to do technical work. >> >> The rule is implemented in the Hotel agreement and reads (note that >> the "Client" would be the Host, and the "Group" would be the IETF) : >> >> "Should the contents of the Group's activities, visual or audio >> presentations at the conference,or printed materials used at the >> conference (which are within the control of the Client) contain >> any defamation against the Government of the People's Republic >> of China, or show any disrespec t to the Chinese culture, or >> violates any laws of the People's Republic of China or feature >> any topics regarding human rights or religion without prior >> approval from the Government of the People's Republic of China, >> the Hotel reserves the right to terminate the event on the spot >> and/or ask the person(s) who initiates or participates in any or >> all of the above action to leave the hotel premises immediately. >> >> The Client will support and assist the Hotel with the necessary >> actions to handle such situations. Should there be any financial >> loss incurred to the Hotel or damage caused to the Hotel's >> reputation as a result of any or all of the above acts, the Hotel >> will claim compensation from the Client." >> >> What does this condition mean ? The hotel staff would have, in theory, >> the legal right to shut down the meeting and ask the offending >> participants to lea ve the property immediately. While we do not >> foresee a situation where such action would take place, we feel that >> it is proper to disclose these conditions to the community. >> >> The members of the IAOC, speaking as individuals, do not like this >> condition as a matter of principle. The IAOC does believe that this >> condition would not prevent the IETF from conducting its business. >> >> We note that the Vancouver/Quebec survey conducted earlier this year >> asked for people to suggest venues in Asia; an overwhelming majority >> (94%) of those who mentioned China were in favor of having a meeting >> there. >> >> We are therefore asking for input from the community by two means - by >> commenting on the IETF discussion list, and also by completing a very >> short survey on people's intentions to travel to China, or not, >> subject to these conditions. This survey can be found here : >> >> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=h4DUkRUOdG_2bVLqioPcYYHw_3d_3d >> >> All responses received by October 1, 2009 at 9:00 AM EDT (1300 UTC) >> will be considered by the IAOC in making its decision. We appreciate >> the assistance of the community in providing us with data that will >> help us to make an informed decision. >> >> Regards >> Marshall Eubanks >> (acting for the IAOC) >> > > ________________________________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! Try it! > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf