Just try to clarify somethings here, check inline please: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Randall Gellens <randy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Personally, I have three specific concerns with a meeting in China: > > (1) The law and associated hotel rule Marshall quoted could be violated by > what may appear to IETF participants as technical discussion. For example, > the manipulation/censorship of Internet traffic by or under orders of the > Chinese government is well known. If this were to be mentioned or discussed > during the IETF, perhaps in the context of encryption, tunneling, web proxy, > DNS, or some other technical area, we could run be violating the law and > hence the rule. [Peny] Well, I am afraid IETF is basically a technical standard organization. Actually, we have been discussing the technologies mentioned by you in China every day. But, I personally don't have any trouble. Did somebody else have? Again, I am afraid your concern is a bit too political. We basically will only have technical discussion in IETF. > (2) This is a very personal concern, but my experience with China is that it > is among the worst places to try and avoid tobacco smoke. [Peny] I am sorry for your bad experience. However, IMHO, your experience may be the story 10 years ago. I am a smoker. When I would like to smoke, I always go find the smoking corner. Now, in Beijing, smoking is prohibited in most of public areas. From my experience, the policies on smoking in China are more restrict than some other countries like EU, Japan. > (3) Similarly to (2), my experience in Bejing has been that the air is > exceptionally polluted. Hence, I'd be concerned for those IETF members who > would find this makes participation difficult. [Peny] At this moment, I am pretty sure that I can see the blue sky out of my office. I guess your last visit to Beijing is probably 5 years ago. If IETF could have a meeting in Beijing, I strongly recommend to have it in autumn. It's the most lovely season of Beijing. BR Peny > > -- > Randall Gellens > Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only > -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- > The solution to a problem changes the nature of the problem. > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf