RE: [PART-I] Gen-ART LC and Telechat Review of draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-10

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Hi Ben,
Please see inline.

Regards,
Ahmad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Campbell [mailto:ben@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Subject: Re: [PART-I] Gen-ART LC and Telechat Review of 
> draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-10
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Ahmad Muhanna wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >>
> >> So is it true that using bulk revocation without IPSec 
> could make it 
> >> possible for an attacker to masquerade as an authorized party, and 
> >> delete large numbers of bindings with a single BRI?
> > [Ahmad]
> > Well, we need to be a little careful here:) I think what 
> you meant to 
> > say here is without any security mechanism.
> 
> In particular, without an authentication mechanism.
> 
> > So, If no valid SA is being used to protect the binding revocation 
> > signaling and, I assume, the MIP6/PMIP6 signaling, then a 
> lot of bad 
> > things could happen.
> 
> Right, and those bad things seem at least slightly worse with 
> BRI than without it, due to the bulk revocation mechanism--so 
> additional mention seems appropriate.
[Ahmad]
Will try to address this in the new revision. Hopefully, this week.

> 
> 
> >
> >
> >> Or there
> >> underlying architectural features that prevent or make this hard?
> > [Ahmad]
> > I am not quite sure what you mean by the underlying architectural 
> > features in this context. But I can say the following: If 
> no security 
> > mechanism (SA) is being used, neither BU/BA nor BRI/BRA are 
> allowed to 
> > be used for establishing nor revoking mobility sessions.
> >
> 
> Hmm--maybe this is all some confusion on my part. Somewhere I 
> got the impression the requirement to use IPSec for BU 
> messages was SHOULD strength. But in rereading RFC3775, I see 
> it at MUST strength. But I am then confused by the language 
> in this draft that says "If IPSec is used..."
> 
> So, to close on this--do you consider the _use_ of IPSec for 
> BRI to be a SHOULD or MUST? If it's a MUST, then I withdraw 
> my comments about "what happens if you don't use IPSec?", and 
> apologize for the confusion.
[Ahmad]
As you mentioned, RFC3775 mandates the use of IPsec to protect BU/BA
between the MN and the HA. However, RFC5213, Proxy Mobile IPv6, mandates
the implementation of IPsec on the MAG and LMA. So, as you see it is not
straight forward:) On the other hand, I understand what you are trying
to say. Let me work with the authors on this and will share the security
related text before publishing. I am sure we can come up with a text
that reasonably address your concern while staying within the wg
consensus.

> 
> 
> >> think just discussing that in the SecCon would go a long 
> way towards 
> >> addressing my concerns.)
> > [Ahmad]
> > I am in the process of rewriting the security section and the whole 
> > draft to address all comments. Will revaluate before publishing 
> > whether we need anything specific here.
> 
> Okay.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Ben.
> 
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