Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall). But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New Hampshire is "Live Free or Die". Just to give credit where credit is due. Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State License plates with that Motto written on them. Fred Knight -----Original Message----- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:23 AM To: Fred Baker Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx; 74attendees@xxxxxxxx; 75attendees@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust Fred Baker wrote: > On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote: >> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" > > That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had > been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print > the designs and enabling IETFers to order them. With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness, at having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the Unix license plate might be helpful. The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa Monica and the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying first he wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix licenses. (Bell provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold bare hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.) Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix license. He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix" on it, purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die"). This was, of course, a huge success. So DEC's marketing folks wanted to do it again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit this, that it had been a one-time special. The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again, but in a different color. This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the original, without losing the essence, might help here. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 75attendees mailing list 75attendees@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/75attendees _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf