If we are going to get that number up we need to have an application layer interface that is 100% indifferent to the underlying network version. We seem to have slid backwards here. When the Web code was written it was network agnostic. You could switch from TCP/IP to DECNETIV or OSI by only changing one module. Since IP won we have had ten years of IPv4 centric code written. This is a Y2K problem without the deadline. If we are going to get IPv6 deployed, someone has to think through and plan a transition strategy with incentives. It i clear that people on this list do not regard that as IETF work which is fair enough. But the IETF has to be prepared to cooperate with whoever does take on that task and has to not hinder it by throwing muddled end to end ideology into the mix. The key word there being 'muddled'. End to end was a pragmatic argument, if people turn it into dogma they are missing the point. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum<iljitsch@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 27 jul 2009, at 9:43, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > >> This must mean that silently enabling IPv6 increases the number of people >> for whom IPv6 works by a factor of around 100 (from <0.01% in the general >> population > >> (http://asert.arbornetworks.com/2008/08/the-end-is-near-but-is-ipv6/ said >> <0.01%.) > > The 0.01% they talk about is TRAFFIC, not USERS. And it's bogus anyway. For > instance, just the traffic through the AMS-IX is many times more than what > they measured: > > http://www.ams-ix.net/technical/stats/sflow/ > > (Note that they use meaningless lying graphs = don't start at 0.) > > At AMS-IX, native IPv6 traffic is now 0.3% on average, up from 0.1% a year > or so ago. When I did some web bug measurements years ago my results where > about 0.16% IPv6 users (1 in 666). Last year, Google got 0.25%. > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > -- -- New Website: http://hallambaker.com/ View Quantum of Stupid podcasts, Tuesday and Thursday each week, http://quantumofstupid.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf