In the past EAP method authors could publish their EAP methods as Informational or Experimental RFCs. For Standards Track EAP methods we had to go through the EMU working group. This is what we did, for example, with the pre-shared key EAP method: * EAP-PSK http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4764.txt was published as an Experimental RFC. * EAP-PAX http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4746 was published as an Informational RFC. * EAP-GPSK http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5433 was an effort done in the EMU working group with input from various pre-shared EAP method proposals, including EAP-PSK and EAP-PAX. Hence, I agree with Bernard and I am a bit puzzled why draft-harkins-emu-eap-pwd was planned for Proposed Standard. Ciao Hannes ________________________________ From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ext Bernard Aboba Sent: 23 July, 2009 03:37 To: ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-harkins-emu-eap-pwd (EAP Authentication UsingOnly A Password) to Proposed Standard I would like to comment on the process aspect of this IETF last call. A subsequent post will provide comments on the protocol. Overall, I believe that the appropriate process for handling this document is not to bring it to IETF last call as an individual submission, but rather to charter a work item within an IETF WG. There are two current EAP method drafts that are based on zero-knowledge algorithms: 1. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-harkins-emu-eap-pwd (this document) 2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sheffer-emu-eap-eke Previously there was also an EAP method submission utilizing SRP: 3. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pppext-eap-srp-03 All three of these documents were slated for inclusion on the IETF standards track. Given the number of EAP method RFCs that have already been published, I do not believe that it serves the Internet community for the IETF to publish multiple EAP method specifications of a similar genre on the Standards Track, while bypassing the WG process. If the standardization of zero-knowledge algorithms is an important area of work for the IETF (and I believe this to be true), then work in this area should be chartered as a working group work item, with the goal to select a single method for standardization. Prior to the EMU WG re-charter, Dan Harkins made an argument for chartering of work in this area. His arguments were sound then, and they are (even more) sound today. However, Dan did not succeed in getting the work added to the EMU WG charter. It is time for the IESG to re-consider its decision to delay standardization of zero knowledge algorithms, which was made in the earlier part of the decade. If the EMU WG is not suitable for handling this work, then another security area WG should be created for the purpose. _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf