Nikos and all, I concur. Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > Dean Anderson wrote: > > I think you misunderstand how patents work or what the license says. > > > > The licence is available for the case "when used with either ...". It is > > not the case that a patent only applies to specific RFCs. RFC's aren't > > mentioned in patents. Patent claims covering tls-extractor very likely* > > apply to any use of extractor, not just those uses that also use other > > Certicom technology in other RFCs. I think you are assuming that > > because Certicom offers a license for a certain situation (or maybe 'use > > configuration' is a better phrase), that different use configurations > > then won't need a license, but that isn't usually* the case. Those other > > 'use configurations' that infringe a claim still require a license. > > After this clarification I would object draft-ietf-tls-extractor to be > published as proposed standard. > > regards, > Nikos > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 284k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "YES WE CAN!" Barack ( Berry ) Obama "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx My Phone: 214-244-4827 _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf