The Certicom IPR disclosure says that their patent claims cover pretty much all of the TLS documents when TLS is used with ECC Crypto. You're constantly arguing that Certicoms patent claims *APPLY* to TLS extractors -- which it is not, and which no one from Certicom seems to claim. The difference between "covers" and "applies" is, that the TLS extractors technology does not, by itself, infringe on any of the patent claims in their patents--otherwise, there would not be the precondition with the use of ECC crypto. -Martin _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf