--On Thursday, April 30, 2009 00:22 -0700 Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> ICANN might not be the right place to discuss issues such as >> I18N, but IETF is worse. > > ICANN is not by its nature a standards body so that it's not > naturally well suited to discussion of standards issues, nor > would it appear that it has any aspirations in that regard. > Given that, I'm not sure what if any role ICANN could play in > enhancing progress in DNS-related standards, other than > perhaps providing some operational feedback. I would add that, for better or worse, IETF is somewhat harder to capture and somewhat less prone to influence by narrowly focused commercial and/or political interests in this area than ICANN. The vast majority of ICANN participants have tended to focus on "names" and "name markets", rather than on identifiers and have often been somewhat unwilling to engage on actual DNS operational and technical issues and constraints. (Whether "somewhat" in those sentences should be replaced by a word like "immensely" is not, IMO, a useful debate here.) Remember that, if one were strictly a marketer of names and indifferent to the usability of the Internet, confusion is one's friend -- it is a tool for selling more names and, more generally, has already been a key ingredient in the generation of FUD. >> And worst of all would >> be to have a situation where IETF is defacto ratifying >> decisions that are actually being deliberated in ICANN >> process. > > So far, I haven't seen much evidence of that. I'm reasonably close to what is going on and, while I've seen evidence of pressure on IETF due to the timing of ICANN processes --far more of that in 2002-2003 than now-- I've seen no evidence at all of such de facto ratification or even of serious attempts to make it happen. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf