A very good example of "ability to participate constructively in the consensus building process".
My father is a dedicated old sick academic (Maths) who joined the IETF and then ISOC to help in his capacity of informed elder. He believed, like Mr. Steve Crocker and may be still some of you, in the IETF values in spite of JFC warnings that he could be hurt.
He wanted to show that the Internet is a system which belongs to everyone (RFC 3271) and the IETF a true democratic endeavour where everyone can contribute - even if one is not a "smart wasp". He thought that he could be one of the people interested in its
evolution are from every culture under the sun and from all walks of life. He explained me that the IETF puts its emphasis on technical competence, rough consensus and individual participation, and is to be open to competent input from any source. In human language and working interfacing, believe me he is far more an expert than any of those I read lately.
- First, there were phone calls home from WG-LTRU people, frightening my mother. So, he had to get red listed.
- Then, there was the ISOC France incredible dispute and ISOC World attitude.
- the the insults - hapilly not from everyone (thank you Mr. Carpenter).
- Then the attitude of this WG which was permitted, I would say led, by its most famous and respected Chair.
- I fear that Mr. Everson, Mr. Seng, Mr. Py, etc. may excel in some aspects of their trade but they appear not to do so in "polite linguistics".
2009/4/19 Michel Py <michel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
This is why they can pretend to reform the French language spelling. Probably, the majority of the WG-IDNABIS Charter readers do not read English either.
Among the minority who does on this list I suppose that ten of them are friends of my father. There can be more of them if you so desire.
My father is in a wheel chair and has fingers arthritis. This may explain some "fat" fingers, don't you think?
Dear Mr. Michel PY (Proud of Yourself?), you certainly know what I think you can do with the second "m..." of yours.[To the majority of readers who don't speak French,
This is why they can pretend to reform the French language spelling. Probably, the majority of the WG-IDNABIS Charter readers do not read English either.
I apologize in
advance both for feeding the troll and posting in French, but I
could not resist. To the minority who do, I hope you will enjoy.]
Among the minority who does on this list I suppose that ten of them are friends of my father. There can be more of them if you so desire.
> LB écrit:
> Dear IETF Members,
> Sorry, I do not speak but I read Engslih.
Oui, nous avons remarqué. C'est "English", pas "Engslih".
My father is in a wheel chair and has fingers arthritis. This may explain some "fat" fingers, don't you think?
> J'ai d'abord été méchament accueilli par certains.
Tant que nous sommes sur le sujet des fôtes d'ortaugrafe, c'est "méchamMent" avec deux "m".
I suppose that I will now be fired from this enlightning "working" group, so let me technically contribute once with some indications:
This WG will not succeed if IDNA2008:
- "is too complex to be used easily by everyone".
- is signed by people who fell they "are not responsible in its use and mindful of the rights of others who share its wealth".
- its constraints "restrict access to it in every language"
- it becomes "the lie at the heart of the Internet revolution", while permitting deceiving meanings through deceiving spellings.
It happens that my father has known JFC Morfin through my own research and development. I must confess that I did not pay enough attention to the influence of money and power on the Internet technology.
Further to this discovery of mine of how the IETF behaves, as a "strong participation from the computing, networking, and telecommunications industries, from companies large and small" http://www.isoc.org/isoc/membership/orgwhyjoin/membership2.pdf, where The ISOC "Platinum Sponsorship Program allows companies to specifically designate areas or projects to be supported in the fields of Standards". I touched with the way my father and his colleague were treated that the IETF concepts may have little to do with the technology that's possible, and much to do with the technology that some choose to create (RFC 3935).
I think I understand better what IAB says in RFC 3869, and that I disagree with its call on Governements for help. The Internet is to be by the nice people for the ordinary people. Nice people like the person you laughed at Mr. PY.
Mme Marie-France Berny.
Chercheur.
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