At 11:44 AM -0800 2/18/09, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > Really, with the exception that it needs legal input, such >a group would actually be a design team that is supposed to look at the >tradeoffs (per our policies) and make a recommendation to the WG. Under that theory, I note that the IESG Design Team document would appear to apply (http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/Design-Teams.txt). For those hard of linking, here's text that is particularly important from my perspective: The key point here is that the output of a design team is input to a working group, not a final document. Such a document must not be considered as more important than any other input to the working group. Anyone can write an alternative proposal and ask the working group to consider it. The decision on which document to work further on must be made by the consensus of the working group. If design teams work as intended, their output will be of a quality that speaks for itself. Working group chairs should note that there is a potential of anti-trust liability if a design team is formed with a restricted membership and then the output is given priority over other input to the process. Unless the IETF is going to provide counsel to all other efforts, there is a very real risk that the output of such a design team will be given weight greater than that of other groups or individuals. That wouldn't work, as noted above, as it means the restricted membership might end up with a near-automatic right to make the decision. I continue to believe that having the *whole* affected working group make these decisions is the most effective and transparent way to get the work done. That way it gets the benefit of all the perspectives (be it that of the FSF, some WG participants' patent counsels, or the real-life risk assessment of the developers involved). It is already possible to request the AD to get input from the IETF's patent counsel, which is delivered to the IETF as a whole. That costs money, of course, and we don't do it for every document as a matter of course. But delivering that advice through this body doesn't seem to add much to me. Only my opinion, of course, Ted Hardie _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf