Lawrence:
I think we are close to intellectual agreement([0]), but see below.
(Nothing to do about my personal position as an [---] advice provider.)
Lawrence Rosen wrote:
Thierry Moreau wrote:
Check by yourself, I do not provide
professional advice in here.
And that's why I made my suggestion that we do these analyses in a
professional manner! Too many patent-savvy attorneys (and their companies?)
expect the community to decide these things in a random fashion. The
IETF--collectively--needs professional advice, including from you.
I will allow that you speak for yourself and offer no guarantees or
warranties. But expert attorneys need to give us their expert opinions about
the effects of specific patents on our specific work.
That's why I'm so irritated that the previous IPR WG, since disbanded
(fortunately), refused even to discuss a patent policy for IETF. Of course
such studied ignorance can lead to community displays of confusion and
anger. Hence the FSF campaign and others like it; entirely justified.
Maybe s/justified/to be expected/? I don't quite follow how the FSF
campaign may be justified if the underlying patent application details
has been ignored.
If among the high volume e-mails triggerd by the FSF there was one based
on "finer investigation and analysis", I would expect the IESG to count
this one as an IETF community participation. Simon, as a GnuTLS project
leader, stated he did not read the patent.
You seem to suggest that "studied ignorance" should be fixed at the
IETF/IESG institution level, and until done, the institution gets what
it deserves (i.e. is hurt by FSF and othe campaigns as expected).
I'm comfortable with either way, fighting studied ignorance at the
participant or institution level.
- Thierry Moreau
[0] "intellectual agreement" is distinct from "agreement" as understood
by a lawyer and "agreement" in the terminology used in UP patent
application 11/234,404 - by the way it's Friday afternoon!
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