I think my proposal for an easy way to automatically subscribe to all
last call lists avoids that concern for folks such as yourself who want to
follow the discussion while providing the operational efficiency of
collecting all discussion in one place for actual analysis of last call
concensus. Amoung other things, I would expect that when a specific last
call was out of my range of concern, I could unsubscribe from that
specific discussion.
I've mentioned last call concensus analysis, but having individual
archives would help anyone who suddenly discovered a concern to easily
retrieve all related comments.
Dave Morris
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote:
Note also that e-mails sent to ietf+draft-name@xxxxxxxx would not be
sent to the general list of ietf@xxxxxxxxx
I think this is potentially dangerous. I use the ietf@xxxxxxxx list to
find out about work that's going on that I wouldn't know to tune into.
Sometimes the issues presented are not just relevant to the draft being
discussed, but have some broader community impact. It is indeed this
broader community impact that is often decided in an IETF Last Call,
otherwise we would only have Working Group Last Calls and no IETF Last
Call...
- Wes
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From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Willie Gillespie
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 9:34 PM
To: David Morris
Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Changes needed to Last Call boilerplate
David Morris wrote:
Seems like a unique mailbox per lastcall would be very helpful all
around.
Right now, gathering and evaluating comments must be a nightmare. An
alternative, would be a single LC mailbox as suggested, but require
EVERY subject line to carry the last call ID, preferable in a form
sensible to current mail clients.
In the case of unique lists per lastcall, provide an opt-in
metasubcribe to make it easy for folks who generally want to follow
last call discussions to just be subscribed.
*AND* require subscribe to post ... no cute confirm reply to bypass. I
strongly believe that anyone who wants to provide feedback should want
to see the comments on their feed back. [If the cute confirm created
an automatic 48 hour subscription as per my next point, that would
work too.]
*AND* no unsubscribe or post only for 48 hours after initial
subscription.
For real participants, this wouldn't be an issue and for email
campaigns, well they just need to experience the same disrruption
their campaign causes.
David Morris
Not a bad idea. In fact, it may be useful to have a unique "list" per
draft, so every comment relating to a particular draft can be tracked
historically. This example is how I understand your suggestion:
ietf+housley-tls-authz-extns@xxxxxxxx will automatically be set up with
the initial ID submission. E-mails sent to it will be regarded as
discussion pertaining to the draft.
Individuals interested in following the draft may subscribe to that list
simply by sending an e-mail to it. (However, e-mails with simply the
word "subscribe" in the body or subject line won't be forwarded to
everyone.) They are also allowed to unsubscribe (perhaps following
the 48-hour waiting period of initial subscription as David
suggested).
Note also that e-mails sent to ietf+draft-name@xxxxxxxx would not be
sent to the general list of ietf@xxxxxxxxx
I doubt this sort of functionality currently exists in Mailman, but
perhaps it could be implemented.
Willie
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