... ciao: given the current environment, it seems like granting an exclusive right to 'deploy' a "STANDARD", satisfies little other than greed. given the 'security' aspect, it looks a lot like a critical point of failure. if a 'patent' guaranteed protection to those forced to license it, that would be one thing. but leaving security to an isolated commercial concern seems reckless ... -- ... i'm a man, but i can change, if i have to , i guess ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: terry <twhite@xxxxxxxxxx> To: twhite@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: FSF ... From: "Peter Brown" <peterb@xxxxxxx> To: info-fsf@xxxxxxx, info-member@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <498EF4B7.8050609@xxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 15:05:00 +0000 Return-Path: <info-fsf-bounces+sys=aniota.com@xxxxxxx> Delivered-To: sys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Received: (qmail 16542 invoked by uid 78); 8 Feb 2009 18:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-mr5.netsolmail.com) (10.49.16.164) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Feb 2009 18:44:56 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by ns-mr5.netsolmail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n18IitM6022863 for <sys@xxxxxxxxxx>; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:44:55 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37739 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LWEaT-0001Iq-5W for sys@xxxxxxxxxx; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:41:01 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LWBBB-0007SI-8e for info-fsf@xxxxxxx; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:02:41 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LWBBA-0007Rw-KC for info-fsf@xxxxxxx; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37508 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LWBBA-0007Rt-91 for info-fsf@xxxxxxx; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:02:40 -0500 Received: from mail.fsf.org ([140.186.70.13]:50408) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <peterb@xxxxxxx>) id 1LWBB9-0000DS-Pk for info-fsf@xxxxxxx; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:02:39 -0500 Received: from jumpgate.fsf.org ([66.92.78.11]:36860 helo=[172.16.0.13]) by mail.fsf.org with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <peterb@xxxxxxx>) id 1LWBB8-0004GA-Oa; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:02:39 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 X-detected-operating-system: by mail.fsf.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:32:31 -0500 X-BeenThere: info-fsf@xxxxxxx X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Free Software Foundation Announcements and Information <info-fsf.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-fsf>, <mailto:info-fsf-request@xxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/info-fsf> List-Post: <mailto:info-fsf@xxxxxxx> List-Help: <mailto:info-fsf-request@xxxxxxx?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-fsf>, <mailto:info-fsf-request@xxxxxxx?subject=subscribe> Sender: info-fsf-bounces+sys=aniota.com@xxxxxxx Errors-To: info-fsf-bounces+sys=aniota.com@xxxxxxx Subject: [FSF] Send comments to the IETF opposing TLS-authz standard by February 11, 2009 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: http://www.fsf.org/news/reoppose-tls-authz-standard Last January, the Free Software Foundation issued an alert to efforts at the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) to sneak a patent-encumbered standard for "TLS authorization" through a back-door approval process that was referenced as "experimental" or "informational". The many comments sent to IETF at that time alerted committee members to this attempt and successfully prevented the standard gaining approval. Unfortunately, attempts to push through this standard have been renewed and become more of a threat. The proposal now at the IETF has a changed status from "experimental" to "proposed standard". The FSF is again issuing an alert and request for comments to be sent urgently and prior to the February 11 deadline to: ietf@xxxxxxxx Please include us in your message by a CC to campaigns@xxxxxxx That patent in question is claimed by RedPhone Security. RedPhone has given a license to anyone who implements the protocol, but they still threaten to sue anyone that uses it. If our voice is strong enough, the IETF will not approve this standard on any level unless the patent threat is removed entirely with a royalty-free license for all users. Further background for your comment: Much of the communication on the Internet happens between computers according to standards that define common languages. If we are going to live in a free world using free software, our software must be allowed to speak these languages. Unfortunately, discussions about possible new standards are tempting opportunities for people who would prefer to profit by extending proprietary control over our communities. If someone holds a software patent on a technique that a programmer or user has to use in order to make use of a standard, then no one is free without getting permission from and paying the patent holder. If we are not careful, standards can become major barriers to computer users having and exercising their freedom. We depend on organizations like the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) to evaluate new proposals for standards and make sure that they are not encumbered by patents or any other sort of restriction that would prevent free software users and programmers from participating in the world they define. In February 2006, a standard for "TLS authorization" was introduced in the IETF for consideration. Very late in the discussion, a company called RedPhone Security disclosed (this disclosure has subsequently been unpublished from the IETF website) that they applied for a patent which would need to be licensed to anyone wanting to practice the standard. After this disclosure, the proposal was rejected. Despite claims that RedPhone have offered a license for implementation of this protocol, users of this protocol would still be threatened by the patent. The IETF should continue to oppose this standard until RedPhone provide a royalty-free license for all users. Media Contacts Peter T. Brown Executive Director Free Software Foundation (617)542-5942 _______________________________________________ info-fsf mailing list info-fsf@xxxxxxx http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-fsf _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf