Dear Ole: Your paraphrasing assumes many stances that I neither have taken nor believe, and I'm not certain why my attempts to discern the nature of how this situation came about is met so frequently with rude responses. I think, judging by the harsh tone of your response, that you may have mistaken the intent of the dialog I've been attempting to open up. It assumes that I feel that the individuals posting here were clueless. While some likely were, there were also many people who came here with rational concerns. It also assumes that I consider this whole situation to be the "fault" of the IETF because of something tantamount to a linguistic loophole. First, I am not assessing blame on the IETF: blame implies that some wrong happened, and even in the most accusatory stances no one could say that the IETF has done wrong by anyone. I'm merely trying to determine what brought the situation about in the first place so that it can be resolved. Second, the language seems clear enough to me that the intent of the last call was to receive public comment. I don't think that language was an accident: however, I think that if requesting for public comment is no longer the intent of a last call, then the language should be changed appropriately. If either of these parts were unclear, then I apologize for not having made my response clear enough. Like I said before, I'm trying to figure out the cause of the conflict, and how it can be suitably resolved for the benefit of all interested parties. Sincerely, Alex Loret de Mola On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > To paraphrase you: > > "Because these people are clueless and have no idea how the IETF > works, it is perfectly proper to mislead them with an announcement > with a call-to-action that basically amounts to spam. When they > take such action it's obviously because the IETF doesn't use the > right language." > > Give me a break. > > Ole > > > Ole J. Jacobsen > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal > Cisco Systems > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 > E-mail: ole@xxxxxxxxx URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj > > > > _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf