Re: Last Call for Comments: Proposed work-around to the Pre-5378 Problem

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"Tom.Petch" <sisyphus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> Reading this, and reading it and reading it again, I think we are going
> backwards more than is desirable where code is concerned.
>
> I expect that for some years, the s.6.iii.c clause will be common ie no
> derivative works outside the Standards process without obtaining an adequate
> licence.  The s.5.c clause then explains this as meaning that the IETF Trust
> will not grant such rights without obtaining sufficient rights to do so from the
> person controlling the pre-5378 material. This seems to trump the additional
> rights granted for code in s.4.

I agree.  But that is true only for document that exercises the
pre-RFC5378 rule, which in the long term, from what I understand, will
be the exception rather than the rule.  There is nothing we can do about
pre-RFC 5378 contributions except to ask the authors to release more
rights to their work.

> Where code is concerned, IETF counsel has stated that RFC3978 already gives us
> such rights for code, in response to which Simon Joseffson has pointed out
> clauses which might be construed differently to which counsel has agreed it
> could be clearer but has not changed his advice (eg IPR WG July 2006).

RFC 5378 makes the code licensed under a free software compatible
license, i.e., the BSD license.  The RFC 3978 rights, even if they were
granted to third parties, were evaluated by the FSF to be non-free.  I
haven't seen anyone claim that the RFC 3978 is a useful software
license.  Thus, RFC 5378 is considerably better than RFC 3978 for code.

> My lay reading of this new text is that it does not give us an exemption for
> code or if it does, then it does so even more obscurely than RFC3978 does and
> this I would regard as a retrograde step.

I disagree.  The legal provisions from the Trust seems clear to me that
code can be extracted and used under the BSD license.  This is a
considerably step forward, and the rules around it does not strike me as
obscure.  I wish the rules were less complex, but section 4 of the legal
provisions seems relatively low-complex compared to the rest.

/Simon
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