(I have drastically trimmed the cc list -- those who are not following the IETF list probably don't care) --On Friday, January 30, 2009 14:32 -0500 Dean Anderson <dean@xxxxxxx> wrote: > You are indeed correct about ITU. > > And possibly things have changed at ANSI. However, my copy of > ANSI T1.403.01-1999 is copyright 1999 by the Alliance for > Telecommunications Industry Solutions, not the American > National Standards Institute (ANSI) Sorry, you need to understand how ANSI works. ANSI is not a standards developer and never has been. They are an association or federation that accredits standards bodies. While there are some edge cases, an ANSI number/ designation on a standard basically indicates that the standards developer is an ANSI-accredited body operating under ANSI rules (which are very general) and ANSI approved-procedures. You can actually see that in the designation of the example you are citing: In ANSI T1.403.01-1999 the accredited standards committee is "T1" and this is a document designated by T1 as 403.01, approved (or published) in 1999. You might see ANSI/T1... instead, or other punctuation, but the principle is the same. I'd have to check, but I assume that the "Alliance for Telecommunications Industry Solutions" is the current sponsoring body for ASC T1. "Sponsoring body for an ASC" is, to a _very_ poor approximation, similar to the ISOC - IETF relationship. The actual authors/ editors/ contributors are not T1 or ATIS, but some human beings or, in the most aggregate, companies who participate in T1 or its subcommittees. > ANSI standards (at least this one) also identifies (in a > forward that is not technically a part of the standard) the > ANSI members of the T1 committee that approved the standard > and identifies each member company, member representative, and > interest being represented. ANSI also identifies the members > of the Working Group (T1E1.2 on Wideband Access Interfaces in > this case), and the participants and officials of that working > group. That is normal. But none of those those folks or organizations hold any copyright in the final document. If the contributors really held onto the copyrights, as you suggested, they presumably would. That document belongs, exclusively, to the SDO (and, again, not to ANSI, which does not claim copyright to documents). Since I'm just trying to clarify the obviously factual parts of this in relation to how other standards development organizations do things, I'll leave responding to your other comments, to others if they are so inclined. >... john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf