--On Thursday, January 29, 2009 16:26 -0500 Dean Anderson <dean@xxxxxxx> wrote: >... > You comment explains exactly the problems with RFC5378. This > is why we, Glassey, myself, others advocated for having the > contributor hold the copyright, as is done in other standards > groups, like the ITU, The Open Group, ANSI, etc Dean, while I prefer the "Contributor holds copyright and gives the standards body the rights it needs" model that you appear to be advocating for the IETF, you might want to do a little fact-checking on the other standards groups you use as examples (and perhaps more generally). In almost all ANSI SDOs, the rule is that one applies for membership and, as part of that application, agrees to treat done anything done for the Standards group, developed in its context, or otherwise contributed to it, as a work for hire for that standards group. When the contribution has already been published in another context, those same bodies usually, although I think not always, require explicit copyright transfers to the SDO. Those mechanisms are about as far from "contributor holds the copyright" as it is possible to get, IMO. ITU's rules are a little different, but the effect is much the same. And neither ITU nor most ANSI SDOs list authors for standards -- they are always considered collective, consensus-developed, works with, at most, an editor (usually listed as part of the listing of the committee members or as an indication of staff support, not as front page matter or as a normal part of a citation to the document). john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf