----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Housley" <housley@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Tom.Petch" sisyphus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:36 PM > Correction: RFC 5378 was published on 10 November 2008. > http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-dist/2008-November/002142.html Thanks for the correction. I was about to point out that the latest draft licence from the IETF Trust refers in 5c to material published 'before November 10, 2008' but this now makes sense. ( In passing, the reference to November 12th was a mistake on my part; I was looking at Ed's announcement which spoke of the new rules coming in force 'today' and which my e-mail client tells me is November 12th. I should of course have looked at the e-mail headers and seen that he submitted the e-mail so as to generate 'Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C51A28C173; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:40:08 -0800 (PST)' which for GMT or places West is November 11th:-( Whatever, November 10th it is. What then is post-5378? Is it material published on or after November 10th? Tom Petch > Russ > > At 11:20 AM 1/14/2009, Russ Housley wrote: > >Tom: > > > >RFC 5378 was published on 11 November 2008, and it went into effect > >on that date. Pre-5378 material refers to contributions that were > >made before the BCP went into effect. I do not believe that anyone > >tracked the posting time at a finer granularity than a day. > > > >Russ > > > >The At 04:41 AM 1/14/2009, Tom.Petch wrote: > >>Russ > >> > >>I would like greater clarity about the meaning of pre-5378. > >> > >>Ed's original announcement said that the new regime was in effect from 12 > >>November 2008 (no time specified). > >> > >>Ed's revised text uses 'before 10 November 2008' (no time specified). > >> > >>Ed's original announcement also placed significance on 0100 UTC on > >>16th December > >>appearing to allow a grace period up until then during which 5378 was not in > >>effect, since old boiler plate was acceptable. > >> > >>We appear to have four zones of time (up to 23:59:59 9th Nov, 10th/11th Nov, > >>12th Nov sometime to 00:00:59 UTC 16th December, thereafter). > >> > >>Please define, in a legally binding manner, pre- and post- 5378. > >> > >>After which, we may need transitional arrangements for people who > >>posted in the > >>middle two time zones, particularly for those who published in the first two > >>weeks of December, thinking that they had a waiver and now find that they may > >>have claimed rights in their Contribution that they will never > >>possess (because > >>it contains old text from earlier Contributions). > >> >> >> <snip> _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf