--On Saturday, January 10, 2009 11:07 +1300 Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thanks John, I believe that is an excellent summary of the > viable options. My draft implicitly adds > > (2.5) Post-5378 documents that incorporate pre-5378 > materials whose original contributors have duly agreed are > posted according to 5378 rules, with no exceptions. > > To my mind the main open issue is whether we want to > require authors to try for (2.5) before proceeding to (2). I am all in favor of authors trying for 2.5 if they have the time and inclination although, mostly, I'd rather have them spend time on technical work (Marshall's suggestion last month that the Trust itself should take responsibility for rounding up old rights has some appeal here). What I'm opposed to is requiring authors of documents that might have had a very long history to take responsibility for claiming that they have identified all of the original contributors. My problem with 2.5, stated somewhat more aggressively than is probably desirable, is that it requires the submitter of a 2.5 document to stand up and say "I have identified all of those who might claim to have rights in this document, will take responsibility for getting that identification right, and obtained their consent". There is a possible 2.5bis, which would be something like "I've made a good-faith, reasonable-effort, attempt to identify everyone and have the agreements from everyone whom that process identified, but I make absolutely no warranty that I've identified everyone or that other claims won't come up; if they do, it is the user's problem, not mine." Whether that is enough different in practice from my (2) to be worth the complexity... I don't know. john _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf