"Donald Eastlake" <d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:30 AM, Simon Josefsson <simon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > ... >> If you are updating a pre-RFC 5378 document that contains trademarked >> words, it isn't sufficient for the old contributor to have signed the >> IETF Trust form if the document contains trademarks. You need to >> contact him anyway, to get permission to reproduce the trademark. >> >> /Simon > > You should consult an attorney but, as far as I know, at least in the > US, there is no magic permission needed to "reproduce" a trademark. > Usually trademarks are to indicate the source of a product or service > and as long as you don't mislead people about that, you are fine. Then what use does section 3.4 of RFC 5378 serve? 3.4. Rights to Use Trademarks Contributors may wish to seek trademark or service mark protection on any terms that are coined or used in their Contributions. The IETF makes no judgment about the validity of any such trademark rights. However, the IETF requires each Contributor, under the licenses described in Section 5.3 below, to grant the IETF Trust a perpetual license to use any such trademarks or service marks solely in exercising rights to reproduce, publish, discuss, and modify the IETF Contribution. This license does not authorize the IETF or others to use any trademark or service mark in connection with any product or service offering. It was co-authored by the IETF attorney, so I suspect it is intended to serve some purpose. If it serves a purpose, contributors needs to get the necessary right and be able to transfer it to the IETF Trust in order to submit a contribution. As far as I understand, that would involve talking with the old contributor if trademarks are involved. /Simon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf