Harald Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> I will check into this. Ideally, all boilerplate would be owned by the >> IETF Trust, but I am not aware that anyone has ever focused on this >> material. Technically, the copyright owner would be the author(s) who >> wrote the first document that says those words. However, the copyright >> in such generic phrases is vestigial at best. > Jorge, would the fact that people have acted as if these phrases can > be copied freely for the last 20 years create a presumption that the > copyright holders (if any) have given permission for their free > copying? Didn't earlier IETF legal policies give permission to re-use these phrases within the IETF standards process? > (I tracked the first sentence of the "Managed objects are accessed" > phrase back to RFC 1065, August 1988; authors-of-record were Marshall > Rose and Keith McCloghrie. There were drafts before that, of course.) That date is before RFC 1310 which makes things more interesting. Even more interesting is that the date is before 1 March 1989, when the US signed the Berne convention. According to: http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/ 1978 to 1 March 1989 Published without notice, and without subsequent registration within 5 years In the public domain Thus, the RFC 1065 document would now appear to be in the public domain, since it does not contain a copyright notice, and assuming nobody registered for a copyright on it within 5 years. /Simon _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf