Having recently completed TLS 1.2 (RFC 5246), I thought it would be worth going through the thought experiment of what it would be like to submit it under the RFC 5378 terms. As I understand the general consensus, if I were to submit RFC 5246bis, I would need to get approval under the new terms from everyone who made a substantial contribution to the original document (the bulk of which dates back to TLS 1.0 in 1999). I don't have an exhaustive list, but this presumably includes at minimum everyone listed in the Contributors section on pages 101-102. That list contains 14 names. Let's say that I have a 95% chance of getting any one of those people to give consent. The joint probability that I will obtain all the required consents is .95^14, less than 1/2. -Ekr _______________________________________________ Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf